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they were complex narratives of being

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taken by alien beings into UFOs on beams

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the Air Force is trying to cover up with

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be very disappointed if UFOs turn out to

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be nothing more than visit us from

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another planet because I think there

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time just a little bit later so yeah

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there we are guys so my guest today

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Cheryl Lynn Carter is a

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psychic medium a remote viewer an

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investigator researcher of the

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Paranormal UFOs Bigfoot so many

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different aspects of the phenomena and

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we're going to touch upon all of those

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subjects tonight in the interview so

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let's not waste any more time and please

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welcome Charlene Carter hi Cheryl how

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are you I'm good

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thank you so much for being here I

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really appreciate it

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I mean there's a lot to talk about but I

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guess the the first question would

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really be going back to your your very

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first interests in in any kind of

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straight High strangeness or the

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phenomena paranormal where did it all

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start for you

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meters all

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right and when when you're kids you

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don't know what it is I just I just

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think everybody does this

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but the first thing I saw was I was at

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my grandma's

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my aunt's Farm

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and I was about four or five years old

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and I was upstairs and I went into one

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of the rooms and she had a bunch of old

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Trunks and boxes you know little kids

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like to Snoop and see what's in there

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so I'm looking nothing nothing close and

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then I saw this little boy standing

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behind one of the trunks he was about my

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age and I thought that's strange my aunt

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shouldn't have a little boy up in her

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attic

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and I got closer and I noticed I could

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see through him

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which I thought was strange too and that

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he reached out his hand to touch me he

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was really cold and I ran down the

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stairs and I never told anybody

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I didn't tell my aunt for years

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but like I said it was just normal to me

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all these things would happen to me all

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the time I would see things I would hear

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voices and I would know things that I

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shouldn't know

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but I just thought it was a natural

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thing all the kids could could do stuff

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like that until I found out I was

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different and you know keep people in

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school thought it was weird

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so when did that when did you first kind

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of start actually developing these kind

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of abilities probably high school

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because then then I met somebody else

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then then we start finding books because

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there were no TV shows and on you know

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no internet at that time to see these

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things to know that you weren't the only

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one uh knowing this stuff you know

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and did you kind of you know go to the

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library look at books on the on the

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subject yeah and understand it more yeah

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that's fascinating yeah

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so you know moving on when did that you

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know enhance into more kind of research

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and let's say investigations as well

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because you know if you you've kind of

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got this psychic medium aspect to your

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life that you've grown up with and then

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obviously you've gone off in so many

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other directions so what came first

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after that and and how did that start

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yeah probably when I was was 20 because

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then I I started going out and I started

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investigating places

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and I I thought it was was so much fun

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people had all their equipment but I

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could actually have the spirits talk to

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recorder going and they played it and I

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and I told him what a spirit told me and

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then they played it back and the spirit

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said that on the recorder too so I loved

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so I'm I'm like an extra piece of

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equipment sure sure and what sort of

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locations were you kind of visiting

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oh I've been to Waverly Hills many times

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down in Alton Illinois

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at the Mineral Springs hotel and

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probably seen that on TV a lot of times

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that was a little place yeah all kind of

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famous known kind of Haunting haunted

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spots maybe Saint Albans in West

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Virginia

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yeah I mean I I

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obviously I've watched a lot of

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paranormal TV shows over the years but I

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I put myself in those places and I just

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I'd be so scared I don't think I could

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stay there for very long that's great

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I've only run into something scary one

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I guess I guess when you can't see

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what I see that it might be scary to you

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yeah the only the only time something

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was scary was

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when I I was at a Madison Summit

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seminary in Ohio

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and my friends and I have gone there

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many times and we were just in the wrong

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place at the wrong time that night and

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something jumped into my friend

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wow and you know you see that on TV and

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they just go heck yeah we're gonna you

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know just I don't know what you're gonna

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do to get it off and scared the heck out

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of me because he turned around and

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looked at me and his eyes were black

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I mean how'd you deal with something

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like that like I said if it was me I

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just wouldn't be able to to cope with it

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it would just I'd be scared it would

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freak me out I think I'd get that

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natural you know fight or flight and run

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kind of I took my I took my cross off my

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neck and I stuck it on his forehead and

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sent over him and that wasn't helping

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so my other friend came up and he got

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him outside he says walk it off walk it

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off and I said he can't walk it off as I

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was vending that weekend so I went in my

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truck and I had Saint Benedict's medals

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which they use for exorcisms

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so I went and I got one I I put it

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around his neck he goes what's that go

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just just put it on just put it on and

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within seconds

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his face changed his eyes were normal

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and he was okay again those things work

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so these these Spirits or entities that

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you encountered during these paranormal

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investigations where do they reside is

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it like a spirit realm or is it another

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dimension and you know how do you kind

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of know where they are and that

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I'm not sure if some of them are

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actually at the location or if some

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might come and go from the locations

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yeah and I do believe there's still even

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though they're at that location they're

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in different dimensions

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at that place

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when do you think there's any connection

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between that kind of entity the

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paranormal ghost like entity and and

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let's say some of the entities seen in

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it could be aliens could it be

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inter-dimension we could be talking all

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kinds of things you're just assuming

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it's a human spirit

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yeah and that's the thing I think until

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we have you know that 100 conclusive

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evidence of what things are I suppose

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you need to keep more things open and on

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I see somebody's asking who trained me

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in remote viewing nobody I was just born

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this way

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oh wow we're definitely don't ask me how

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I do I just do it I don't know how

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nobody definitely we'll get on to that

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in a minute I think in fact it might as

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well let's just let's jump on to that

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can you tell us about what the sci

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Institute is how it came about

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um what you kind of wanted to get from

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it

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well I I had a I had a friend in

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Illinois that you know that I met at a

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conference and he wanted to put together

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a group of Psychics to help look for

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missing people and close uh cold cases

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and so he put together eight people and

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we are from all different parts of the

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United States I think I've only met two

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in person

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so we don't talk to each other when

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we're getting our information but he'll

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he'll go here's a case for us and he

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he'll just show us the person's picture

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and say they're missing us and and so I

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have to look at their picture and

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I can see where they were who was around

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them if someone did something to them I

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could see who the person was and then we

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give him all our information and he goes

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to the police

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and hopefully the police will listen

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sometimes they don't

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sometimes they say oh psychics yeah go

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away yeah about have the police actually

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approached you in certain cases to kind

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of as a not me directly they've got to

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him and then he comes yeah and what kind

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of success have you had doing these kind

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of uh you know remote viewing or

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forensic remote very good and then I

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actually I also have a um software

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program on my computer it's called faces

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and it's like the composite that the

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police use and I can I can make a

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picture of the face

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of like the killer or the abductor I can

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make a picture to send the police also

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yeah because I read obviously in your

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bio I think it's something like nearly

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400 500 missing children rescued closed

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21 cold cases and shut down 19 human

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trafficking rings I mean that's an

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impressive number across the board on

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all of those things so because you could

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be be looking for one person and then

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when they find them there could be six

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people there that they found that's how

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we got all the number in the human

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trafficking because one could turn into

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many

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yeah so with this you know these this

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remote viewing and have you spoken to

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other remote viewers is it is it the

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kind of skill that I mean obviously you

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say you kind of had it naturally but is

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it still something that you can develop

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and and make stronger

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the only way I think you can do is just

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practice

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yeah yeah have you looked at I mean have

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you done any other kind of work with

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remote viewing when it comes to studying

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the Paranormal say or UFOs or anything

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like that

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well the other thing I do is I I have a

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I have a team that lives in my friends

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that lived in Georgia and when they're

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doing an investigation they will

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get on Facebook Messenger with me and I

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will help them during their

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investigation because I can remote view

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there

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wow

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now you've actually you're a member of

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mufon is that is that still a current

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membership or was that something in the

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past no still a member I'm studying to

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be a field investigator as we speak oh

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one of us great and when so when did you

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first join and what was it that you kind

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of wanted to get from it was it just you

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wanted to just develop more skills about

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six years ago just curious yeah just

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curious I wanted to you know meet other

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people it's it's not like the Paranormal

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and the Paranormal somebody might say

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all right my evidence is better than

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yours and all that

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the UFO Community you you sit there and

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talk and people listen they just stop

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and listen to you talk and they don't

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judge you it's a whole different

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and uh we're right now we're we're doing

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remote meetings but we used to have a

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meeting once a month out of at a place

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and the public could come in and we'd

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have a guest speaker

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and it was very nice but it was nice

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that you could get together with other

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people and discuss stuff

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oh that's great so as a field

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investigator would that be a once you've

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qualified for that would is that boots

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on the ground research is that going out

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to locations

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what how does it work you you could go

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out to a location or you could talk to

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the people on the phone too but you're

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you're checking you know what was the

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those all kinds of reports to check what

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was in the what was the weather that day

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what could be in the sky at that time

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there's all kinds of reports that you

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check to before you just take their word

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that something happened

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yeah wow that's incredible

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um another thing is ce5 consciousness is

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another part of the UFO subject is that

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something that you've tried touched upon

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and had any success with

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yeah I actually actually at one of our

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meetings there was two speakers there

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that they started talking about

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something called ce5 and I said well

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that sounds interesting you know because

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they said we need remote viewers and I

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said okay I can do that so yeah we I

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haven't done anything last year at all

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we didn't meet or else I missed the

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meetings but we go to the same place and

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we maybe a dozen of us and

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we put our lawn chairs in a circle

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and we don't we meditate

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sometimes we have singing balls singing

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balls when we use the singing bowls we

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attract a lot more

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and we just look up in the sky

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and I've got some crazy photos coming

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out of the woods something coming out of

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the woods

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now that doesn't mean that it was alien

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but we definitely attracted something

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with the singing bulls that night

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wow there were I saw two balls I'm

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looking straight up the woods there were

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two balls of light and it was far enough

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away so they're probably as big as

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basketballs

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just like somebody just turned on two

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lights and I said okay that's weird

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it's like guys look over there and they

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go that's nothing and they're looking up

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in the sky so I think something's

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happening right there

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so I'm watching and I should have done

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video but I just had my Fleur

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and I took pictures and they started

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dancing to the singing bowls they were

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going back and forth changing places and

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the one got up and it was was wiggling

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like that and it came back down into the

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ball and then all of a sudden they just

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we watch them like 10 minutes all of a

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sudden they just stopped and that's like

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somebody turned the flashlights off

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wow Have you shared those pictures

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so have you shared those pictures

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publicly at all

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a few times here I'd be interested to

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see that yeah I wish I would have done

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video but the pictures yeah

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hindsight is a wonderful thing well it's

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like it's like people you know trying to

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take a picture of a UFO you don't think

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I'll take in your phone out or something

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yeah I didn't think I didn't think to

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hit video I just wanted to get a picture

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of whatever it was yeah I've heard that

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so many times from different people when

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they're you know in the in the moment

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they just do something but then in

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hindsight they wish they'd done

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something else and that seems to be

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quite a common occurrence in yeah what's

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there yeah no absolutely so during

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absolutely absolutely but going back to

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kind of some of the investigations that

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you've done you know boots on the ground

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and stuff is there anything that uh

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really made you question what you were

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doing

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um you know anything particularly

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negative that kind of stood out to you

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or all positive maybe are there any big

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cases that that really sort of sit Above

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the Rest

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no I mean you know of course you you

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want to bring the missing person back

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home and sometimes they're not alive you

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know so that is upsetting

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but you do bring them back home there's

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some people that they never find any

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place so at least if you can bring them

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back home in one way or another

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that's helpful but yeah it's it's hard

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yeah absolutely

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the next thing I'd like to talk about

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are your books because you've written

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quite a few books and the first one I'd

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like to discuss which I haven't read yet

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but I'm going to is Dimensions the

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mystery triangles of the US which was

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released back in I think September 2021

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that's the one now that's kind of you

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know it talks about strange locations

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strange artifacts sightings and

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occurrences so what's the kind of

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premise between like what the triangle

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itself means because I think the first

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thing I saw when I saw mystery triangles

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is you know triangles in the sky like

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UFOs but it's not actually about that is

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it

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um they're they're not really triangles

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I guess that they they use certain

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points to say it's a triangular area

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some of them are more rectangular

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but they just they just use that premise

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and it's like the Bermuda Triangle

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except that I've got 10 other ones in

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the United States that are that are in

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the book

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you've probably seen a lot of the

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Alaskan triangle yeah on Ancient Aliens

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lately and I I live in Michigan we we

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have a Michigan Triangle never knew that

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till I started researching and the the

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Michigan Triangle has has actually

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recorded more missing ships and

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airplanes than the Bermuda Triangle

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wow okay that's that is strange

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so what sort of occurrences do you know

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are there sightings of like more UFO

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sightings like hot spots and things like

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that as well that's what I found out

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when I was doing the book I wasn't going

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that direction but yes they all have

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lots of UFO hot spots every one of these

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triangles

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could it be the energy there I don't

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know what it is

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yeah and and you mentioned the energy is

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that something that can be measured have

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you sort of been out to any of the

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locations with any equipments kind of

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measure you know electromagnetic uh

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frequencies and and things like that

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well I mean you could there could be Ley

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lines there or some people don't believe

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in Lay lines I do

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I know when I'm standing near one

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I'm kind of

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a little bit off I can I can tell when

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there's a Ley line but

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yeah you could use your tri-field meter

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to get

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some readings yeah that's got going to

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read the Ley line but

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there's like them in the field your

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tri-field could help you do that

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yeah

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so now one another area of your research

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obviously and this is kind of one of the

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big ones for me is the skin worker Ranch

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phenomena let's say but so you've

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written about the ranch but also kind of

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the Uinta Basin in general as well and

520
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obviously we've heard about

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investigations throughout you know at

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least three decades with Robert Bigelow

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and the nid's team and then obviously

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more recently with Brandon fugel's

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investigation

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so you know when you were started

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researching it for the first time you

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know um

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how did you sort of go about it with

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there being so much history in in so

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many aspects of the phenomena whether

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it's UFOs or Cryptids or the Paranormal

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so how did you kind of go about it and

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what did you find

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well the first thing I did when I did

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the first book not this manager the

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first book

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I wanted to know who were all the people

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that lived on this land before

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you know we only know certain names so I

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mean I I went all the way way back to

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when they were allotting land to the Ute

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tribe yeah and then selling the rest to

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the white man

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so I went all the way back and I got all

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those owners I got all the Deeds it was

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kind of interesting so now I could put

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and I found pictures so I could have

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names and pictures these are just

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ordinary people

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trying to make a living with all this

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strange stuff

553
00:21:13,850 --> 00:21:11,820
and then it just turns out that it's

554
00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:13,860
just not just the ranch it's the whole

555
00:21:19,549 --> 00:21:16,980
Basin that's very strange

556
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,559
yeah and some I mean obviously you know

557
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:21,120
you say you found the photographs and

558
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:22,679
you had names and that was there

559
00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:25,320
historical evidence of

560
00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:27,299
that the skinwalker itself being

561
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:29,400
mentioned in like historical texts or

562
00:21:33,169 --> 00:21:31,740
anything like that no no you don't you

563
00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:33,179
don't start hearing stuff like that

564
00:21:38,090 --> 00:21:36,360
until the Shermans right but obviously

565
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,100
you know we hear that happened before

566
00:21:41,630 --> 00:21:40,080
but yeah because you hear about stories

567
00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:41,640
of the you passing it down through

568
00:21:45,049 --> 00:21:43,380
generations I just wasn't sure if it was

569
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:45,059
like any kind of written documentation

570
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,600
you know historically but that's fair

571
00:21:52,370 --> 00:21:50,400
enough I mean did you actually get to

572
00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:52,380
speak to any sort of Youth tribe members

573
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,520
at all no I didn't no but but the the

574
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,080
reason you don't hear a lot about Skin

575
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,480
Walkers because you you don't say that

576
00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:02,640
name you don't talk about

577
00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:06,120
I've got a friend who who is Navajo

578
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,340
and we're talking about it one time and

579
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:10,320
she says well you know we we don't say

580
00:22:14,450 --> 00:22:11,460
that name

581
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:14,460
we don't say we don't talk about that

582
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,960
and she says I'll tell you something

583
00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:17,520
that happened to me when I was a child

584
00:22:22,669 --> 00:22:20,280
and this gave me chills

585
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,679
she says I was about five

586
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,480
am

587
00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:27,120
we lived in a one-room house on the

588
00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:29,880
reservation in New Mexico

589
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,659
and I'm looking out the window at night

590
00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:35,760
and she's she described you know how you

591
00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:37,740
see the skin walker with the the paint

592
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:40,440
on the face and the

593
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:43,559
animal skin on and everything and she

594
00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:45,299
says it was

595
00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:48,179
looking in the window at me at all my

596
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:49,860
family

597
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:51,960
and she says and I I want to reach my

598
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:54,059
hand out and grab my father but I

599
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:56,220
couldn't move and I wanted to scream and

600
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,440
I couldn't speak I was like

601
00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:59,760
petrified

602
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,900
hmm

603
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,880
and she says and then

604
00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:05,280
I finally went to sleep and got up the

605
00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:07,080
next day forgot all about it and I'm in

606
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:08,820
my coloring book

607
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:11,880
and my father runs outside he comes back

608
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,740
in he grabs his shotgun and he says

609
00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:16,080
don't anybody leave the house

610
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,360
and he came back in and his her mother

611
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:20,400
says what's wrong and he says the

612
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,140
neighbor got killed by a skin marker

613
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:24,480
last night now these are real

614
00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:26,580
this isn't just a story this is a friend

615
00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:29,880
of mine I know she wouldn't make this up

616
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:31,500
so have you been down onto the ranch

617
00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:34,260
yourself or in the area at least we're

618
00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:37,460
in the area yeah up to the gates yeah

619
00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:40,500
a remote view there I wasn't

620
00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:43,740
fully there part of me was and what kind

621
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:45,539
of experience have you had anything sort

622
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:47,400
of you know happen to you or felt any

623
00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:49,500
kind of kind of strange things while

624
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:02,390
happening on the ranch

625
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:04,140
you know there's there's there are

626
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:06,299
spirits from natives that used to live

627
00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:09,900
there there's um things up in the sky

628
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,539
things under the groom because I know

629
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:14,940
there's a cave system and I saw there

630
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:17,159
were like two Dimensions trying to merge

631
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:18,600
into one

632
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,700
and then there's the Elementals which

633
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:22,559
are just something from nature that have

634
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:24,179
always been there so there's all kinds

635
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,460
of things happening

636
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:29,039
at this yeah yeah I mean I regularly

637
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:30,720
I've spoken to a few people you know

638
00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:32,340
that have worked on the ranch of work

639
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,419
then now and have worked there

640
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:35,220
previously and there's so many different

641
00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:37,380
theories and you know you touched upon a

642
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:39,720
few there and Christopher Bartel you

643
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:41,700
know he's really focuses on the kind of

644
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:44,280
the the ancient kind of petroglyphs and

645
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,600
things like that have you been and

646
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,799
witnessed the petrogrifts for yourself

647
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:48,780
at all in the area

648
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:51,900
yeah I went to um

649
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:54,659
Dinosaur National Monument I I went to

650
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:57,720
Nine Mile Canyon I went to Sego Canyon

651
00:25:00,850 --> 00:24:59,580
that's all in the area yeah those are

652
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,860
amazing

653
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:02,640
and that's the thing I mean it's

654
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:03,900
fascinating because of all these

655
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:06,179
different possibilities so you know I'm

656
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:07,620
really pleased that there is still

657
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:09,419
investigative work still happening on

658
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:12,059
the ranch I know it can be controversial

659
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:15,000
some people uh you know don't like the

660
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,340
fact that it's portrayed in a TV show I

661
00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:19,679
mean each to their own

662
00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:21,539
um but you know I'm pleased that it's

663
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:22,500
happening

664
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,400
um

665
00:25:27,049 --> 00:25:24,720
what about yourself what are your

666
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:27,059
thoughts on on Brandon and the team at

667
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:28,620
the moment and have you spoken to them

668
00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:34,970
welcome to all of them and I I think

669
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,010
I think it's not like in watching a

670
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,880
paranormal show where they're acting

671
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:41,039
goofy and stuff this is really a

672
00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:43,260
scientific investigation

673
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:46,380
and it's going 24 7. you only see

674
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,299
maybe two percent of what they actually

675
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:49,919
filmed on TV

676
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,799
they're still filming

677
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:54,480
yeah absolutely I'm just going to bring

678
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:56,220
up this question here from your name she

679
00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:58,679
says hi Cheryl could you elaborate more

680
00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:00,299
on what you remove viewed from

681
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:06,950
well I says I I saw that and um first

682
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:08,760
thing I saw was

683
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:12,240
a native woman she's probably 20 years

684
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:13,260
old

685
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:20,760
she looked right at me I I looked into

686
00:26:27,409 --> 00:26:23,820
her eyes she saw me

687
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:27,419
and she said Medicine Woman save my baby

688
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,960
and I could see her baby was dead

689
00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:33,360
and she said that the animals trampled

690
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:37,380
my baby I I can't help you you know

691
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:39,480
so then she went and she buried her baby

692
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:42,299
up on top of the Mesa

693
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:45,179
and then I saw

694
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,779
um

695
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,520
a beaver stream

696
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,740
or a stream with a beaver dam and

697
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:51,840
they're two beavers and there's a native

698
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:54,179
man standing there

699
00:26:58,610 --> 00:26:56,340
and he looked familiar to me and I

700
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,620
thought how could that be

701
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:00,960
and then I realized when when I go to

702
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,340
sweat lodge

703
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,559
he has been appearing to me for seven

704
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,720
years in sweat lunch

705
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:08,820
before I even knew what Skinwalker Ranch

706
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:10,919
was

707
00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:14,100
so that that's crazy and he keeps he

708
00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:16,500
keeps pointing to the east showing I

709
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:18,299
need to see something in the East but I

710
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:25,490
so you mentioned before before we

711
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,659
actually went on live that you um

712
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,520
you know you speak to Brandon's wife

713
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,679
quite a bit and and he obviously told me

714
00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:34,020
quite an interesting meeting that took

715
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:35,460
place you were able to just sort of

716
00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:38,279
speak to to that publicly here

717
00:27:45,769 --> 00:27:41,340
should I find the picture yeah go ahead

718
00:27:51,409 --> 00:27:49,250
yeah I was actually invited to Brandon's

719
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,419
office

720
00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:53,340
when I was going to phenomicon you know

721
00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:55,140
his wife says why don't you not to stop

722
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,659
by the office you know so we can chat

723
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:59,520
but their air conditioner was broke down

724
00:28:03,169 --> 00:28:01,320
that day so she was at home waiting for

725
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,179
the repair guy so she didn't get to be

726
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:05,760
with us but yeah he showed me all around

727
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,559
the office for

728
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:09,600
a good hour

729
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:11,340
and he showed me all his movie

730
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,080
paraphernalia I think everybody has

731
00:28:18,730 --> 00:28:15,600
probably seen lots of the stuff he's

732
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,740
he's got the Terminator he's got the um

733
00:28:22,610 --> 00:28:20,880
costumes that Daniel wore and Harry

734
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:22,620
Potter and his magic wands he's got all

735
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:25,620
these cool stuff and he's got so many

736
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:28,200
first edition signed books and so he

737
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,520
opened it up and he goes here's one of

738
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,159
my favorites he goes this is from I

739
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,320
forgot which king it was that um I think

740
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:36,960
was King Edward he says when he owned

741
00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:38,460
Stonehenge

742
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:41,940
wow and I said oh I know all about this

743
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:44,760
I says I'm I'm writing a book about it I

744
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,580
I I see you know who all the different

745
00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:49,500
people had was handed down you know

746
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:51,539
through the family's Stonehenge and then

747
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,700
this guy actually bought it at an

748
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:55,440
auction

749
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,940
look at that

750
00:29:02,529 --> 00:28:59,520
and he goes yeah he was all impressed

751
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:02,539
that I'm going I'm in Brandon's office

752
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:05,460
don't hitch who's gonna believe this you

753
00:29:09,649 --> 00:29:07,320
know so we're just having everyday

754
00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:09,659
conversations he's a very down-to-earth

755
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,460
person

756
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:13,440
did he give you any kind of heads up or

757
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:14,159
any

758
00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:15,720
you know behind the scenes information

759
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:18,860
regarding the ranch at all or was it

760
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:22,020
went lucky yeah I I know I'd be uh

761
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:23,940
probably quite cheeky and asking if he

762
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,120
can tell me anything but what I I didn't

763
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,279
want to overstep myself and start asking

764
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:30,799
questions right

765
00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:33,240
right after all I'm I'm here we don't

766
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,640
want to mess this up right no that's

767
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:37,679
fair enough that's fair enough but no

768
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:39,480
that sounds like a a wonderful

769
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:43,260
experience so so then when I when I I

770
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:45,899
was heading to phenomicon last year

771
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,659
and when I went there I I went out with

772
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,120
a friend down to the stop sign in front

773
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:56,630
all right we got I got it back up here

774
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,919
after I remote viewed

775
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,480
something followed me home from skin

776
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:02,940
marker Ranch

777
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,059
hitchhiker yeah and I I've never had

778
00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:07,679
anything follow me home when I remote

779
00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:09,720
viewed before but this is skin walker

780
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,100
Ranch

781
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:13,679
and it was something standing on my left

782
00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:15,000
side and I thought it was a shadow

783
00:30:19,370 --> 00:30:16,679
figure but then I said no it's something

784
00:30:23,149 --> 00:30:19,380
standing in the shadows and they started

785
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,159
downloading binary code into my head

786
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:26,159
just like James penistone in Randolph

787
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:27,419
Forest

788
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:30,120
and have you decoded it in any way I

789
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:31,140
could

790
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:38,510
yeah because you hear people say that

791
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,020
these are kind of like instant downloads

792
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:41,760
where there's just floods of information

793
00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:44,700
yeah it was it was I could see it on but

794
00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:46,740
it was so fast as maybe somebody

795
00:30:49,549 --> 00:30:48,659
hypnotized me one time I would get her I

796
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:49,559
don't know

797
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:50,940
and so

798
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:53,640
I go down by the the stop sign by

799
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:55,799
Skinwalker Ranch and I heard the same

800
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:59,279
voice say pick up that rock

801
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:01,140
and I'm laughing and my friends says

802
00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:03,179
what's so funny and I said well the The

803
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,919
Voice told me to pick up a rock and run

804
00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:06,720
a gravel rope

805
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,020
so I walked around and I saw this oval

806
00:31:14,029 --> 00:31:12,240
flat shot shape Rock

807
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:14,039
and

808
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,100
okay

809
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:23,279
so I looked and I found another one and

810
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:26,100
I found this rock right here

811
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:32,630
and the voice said the binary code has

812
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:34,500
now been activated well I still don't

813
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:38,399
feel any enlightened but someday Maybe

814
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,399
yeah maybe just one day a little fall

815
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:43,440
into place you'll come to some kind of

816
00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:46,260
realization or or understanding of what

817
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:48,840
it you know was so all I know

818
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:51,299
is I can take this rack

819
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:53,100
a driveway with

820
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:55,260
with tri-field meter and the the needle

821
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:56,700
goes up to four

822
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,919
it's a rock

823
00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:00,720
um now I don't know if there's crystals

824
00:32:04,850 --> 00:32:02,760
in it I don't know but I don't want

825
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:04,860
anybody to crack it open because I don't

826
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:09,649
no

827
00:32:18,529 --> 00:32:15,840
hopefully

828
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:18,539
we'll see you have to let us know if

829
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:20,520
anything does does come up at any point

830
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:22,740
uh it's been a while I just keep going

831
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:25,919
tell me yeah yeah I've got another great

832
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,539
question here from your name she says

833
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:30,240
knowing your abilities could you see or

834
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,580
Define The Hitchhiker

835
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:34,320
oh I could see it perfect well they're

836
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:37,020
actually two yeah it was

837
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,480
something in the shadows and it's like

838
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:41,279
it had a hood

839
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,559
and big eyes

840
00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:46,080
but I felt it I don't know if it was

841
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,640
alien I felt that it was

842
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:49,200
interdimensional

843
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,820
but you can have aliens that are

844
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,320
interdimensional too couldn't you I

845
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,240
don't know what it was I just felt it

846
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:56,159
was interdimensional

847
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:02,750
not sure what it was yeah that's

848
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:06,240
interesting because I thought it had big

849
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:08,039
so there was no negative effects either

850
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:10,200
no physical negative effects because we

851
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,580
hear obviously you know knowing the

852
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,399
ranch you know we've seen Thomas you

853
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:16,620
know the voice kept him I said you know

854
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:18,179
don't don't do this I don't understand

855
00:33:27,529 --> 00:33:25,490
strange very strong you'll understand

856
00:33:30,169 --> 00:33:27,539
later well I'm still waiting to

857
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:31,330
now

858
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:35,039
there's two books you've done on the

859
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:36,360
Skinwalker Ranch

860
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:38,519
um sort of studies but you also touch

861
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:40,740
upon in those books sort of military

862
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,919
bases Air Force bases with UFO reports

863
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:46,080
so going back to the 40s and and you

864
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:47,880
know right up until more Modern Times

865
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:49,860
And but there are Air Force bases that

866
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,720
I'd not really heard of in in America

867
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:53,519
that much which is Hill Air Force Base

868
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:55,860
and Buckley Air Force Base Are you able

869
00:34:00,289 --> 00:33:57,720
to sort of tell us about any particular

870
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,299
sightings or experiences investigations

871
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:02,340
that that you encountered looking into

872
00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:04,500
those two those bases

873
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,500
um Hill

874
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:09,359
Air Force Base um

875
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:12,300
some think it's uh part of the new area

876
00:34:15,550 --> 00:34:13,740
51.

877
00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:15,560
it's what's known as

878
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:17,940
r6413 but they they people think it's

879
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:21,359
the new Area 51 and they they have a

880
00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:23,220
unclassified document it's called

881
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:25,080
project grunge

882
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:26,940
and they sent information to

883
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,000
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio

884
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,159
which we know is uh kind of where

885
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,599
they're supposed to send those alien

886
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:35,700
bodies from area 51.

887
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,060
but on May 25th 1949 there were five

888
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:41,760
officers out in the salvage yard

889
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:44,339
and they start seeing this Global shaped

890
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:45,899
object out in the sky

891
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:48,839
and it was traveling East to South and

892
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,220
they're watching it for quite a while

893
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:52,440
and then they saw another one and it

894
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:54,419
went the same direction too

895
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,780
so these are officers talking so

896
00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:00,240
you gotta take their word that something

897
00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:01,800
really happened there and this

898
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:03,960
information again they sent it to Ray

899
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,060
Patterson

900
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:08,160
yeah I want to go there sometime because

901
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,440
you could take a tour of the place and

902
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:12,240
just with my abilities I want to know

903
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:13,260
what I might pick up there because

904
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:14,220
they're not going to show you anything

905
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:15,720
good but

906
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:17,880
true yeah I better still be in the

907
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:20,520
building I might pick something up yeah

908
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,619
you never know I think just because you

909
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,540
know just something that that I stood

910
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:26,040
out to me because you know we hear about

911
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:29,880
the the the bases the the Big Air Force

912
00:35:33,370 --> 00:35:32,040
Base is to do with the subject so it's

913
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:33,380
good to sort of see some new names

914
00:35:36,109 --> 00:35:35,339
cropping up so I found that really

915
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,119
interesting because there's

916
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:38,160
documentation as well which is always

917
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:40,020
great to see in any kind of books it's

918
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:41,940
you know it shows that there's research

919
00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:43,320
being done and that there are Paper

920
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:45,420
Trails that you can follow so yeah that

921
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,160
really stood up I don't like to report

922
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:48,960
to somebody's UFO sighting if I don't

923
00:35:54,430 --> 00:35:50,700
have documentation and all kinds of

924
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:56,810
I've seen UFOs but I have no pictures

925
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:59,579
and I can't prove anybody I saw it

926
00:36:05,569 --> 00:36:02,640
so just an anecdotal story I was just my

927
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:05,579
saying that I have it I can't prove it

928
00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:07,380
yeah just gonna jump back to The

929
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,940
Hitchhiker I've got a question here from

930
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:10,800
Tony he asks how did you get rid of the

931
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:16,310
oh really

932
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:18,300
but I suppose if it's not a negative one

933
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:20,280
then I suppose it's not as impactful as

934
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,540
if it was something yeah no problem

935
00:36:25,329 --> 00:36:23,400
wasn't being here

936
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:25,339
wow

937
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,780
obviously it has something more wants to

938
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:30,000
tell me

939
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,980
maybe it'll be eventually the one that

940
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:33,839
kind of makes you understand binary code

941
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:36,359
or something like that well that's just

942
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:40,560
like I think maybe it's directing me to

943
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,300
write the new book I'm writing I don't

944
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:43,680
know

945
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,300
what can you tell us about that it's got

946
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:46,800
nothing to do with Skinwalker Ranch but

947
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,540
this might be part of it

948
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:50,880
okay all right I'm writing a new book

949
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,240
I'm I'm calling it uh chosen it's a

950
00:36:59,450 --> 00:36:56,700
real Encounters of

951
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,460
real stories about encounters and alien

952
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:01,200
abductions

953
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:03,540
so these like historical cases are you

954
00:37:07,569 --> 00:37:05,099
speaking to Witnesses

955
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:07,579
these are historical cases with

956
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:11,540
government documents

957
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:15,000
collating it all into a to one book yeah

958
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,320
like the Falcon like that is just

959
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,599
Nationwide everyone knows about Falcon

960
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,760
Lake I still think it's an underrated

961
00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:25,680
case you don't hear that much about it

962
00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:28,500
these days no but there's I mean I have

963
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:31,320
so many documents all different

964
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:34,740
organizations that have investigated

965
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:36,839
this and all saying that this guy's

966
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,230
yeah but yet he died from

967
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,800
reading you know

968
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,720
this is the thing biological facts are

969
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:50,520
such an importantly you know talked

970
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,920
about aspect of the the subject yet I

971
00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:54,480
felt like that case did he just flew

972
00:37:57,069 --> 00:37:56,099
into the radar a little bit for me that

973
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,079
yeah

974
00:38:02,569 --> 00:38:00,240
for us you know Burrows also have

975
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:02,579
radiation poisoning and they were

976
00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:04,920
denying him any kind of benefits saying

977
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:06,359
no you don't

978
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:09,900
yeah I mean Israeli got us benefits but

979
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:12,540
it took him how many years a long long

980
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,000
decade I think it was yeah it's like the

981
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:17,280
it's like they they don't

982
00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:19,320
want to uh prove her stories right

983
00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:22,859
they're out there to disprove you

984
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:25,380
because in the in the Falcon Lake

985
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:29,280
you had uh the condom from uh

986
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:31,140
Boulder Colorado

987
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:32,520
and it's like whenever they're

988
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:34,680
investigating the UFO stories

989
00:38:38,569 --> 00:38:37,920
they never say yeah the person saw that

990
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:38,579
um

991
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:40,920
I go what kind of committee is this well

992
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:42,180
you can't be

993
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:44,099
you're judgmentally already coming at

994
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:45,720
the beginning going I know this guy made

995
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:47,460
it up you know every story I've ever

996
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,560
investigated that has their name

997
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:51,720
connected to it they can't say Yep this

998
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:53,579
is the real deal

999
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:57,060
yeah yeah I've noticed that yeah

1000
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:57,720
um

1001
00:39:03,290 --> 00:38:59,820
so

1002
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:03,300
book if you've got a kind of publishing

1003
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:05,880
date or if you've got a a day you'd like

1004
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:08,520
it to be published by I just I just

1005
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,140
started writing it about two weeks ago

1006
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:12,839
oh wow okay so it is fresh fresh and new

1007
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,520
yeah

1008
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,079
that's a lot of work still to do then

1009
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:19,440
but but it's like I I just I just woke

1010
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:23,339
up one day I go I need to do this

1011
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,260
that's it yeah

1012
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:27,119
feels like some telling you to do it

1013
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,270
Something Told Me

1014
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:37,560
to write this children's book

1015
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:44,690
it's only 31 pages but it's it's the

1016
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:47,160
story of a little wolf that came down

1017
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,380
from the Mesa and had an adventure in

1018
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:51,839
Skinwalker Ranch here we go

1019
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:54,359
wow I'll have to get a copy from my

1020
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,390
that's got it's got very I made I made

1021
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:02,400
very nice photos and

1022
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,660
wait did you

1023
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:05,280
did you do those

1024
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,380
what I I I I made them in uh dolly

1025
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:13,200
and then all right and then I put them

1026
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:16,320
in um Pixar and I made them all snowy

1027
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:18,420
looking because it's snow outside where

1028
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,460
there's yeah so it's like a combination

1029
00:40:27,890 --> 00:40:25,849
it's like AI generated well that's

1030
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:27,900
impressive I don't you know but the

1031
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:29,820
dolly let me

1032
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,500
I want the wolf to look all the same and

1033
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:33,599
then yeah and then I put it in the other

1034
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:35,400
one to to make a you can do a snow

1035
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:40,200
effect wow I like it now another um

1036
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,380
a topic which is big in the Uinta Basin

1037
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:45,420
as well is and has been going on for

1038
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:47,220
decades is cattle mutilations and

1039
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,320
strange animal deaths so what can you

1040
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:51,420
tell me about that from stories you may

1041
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:53,220
have heard or or is there anything again

1042
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,900
that stands out from any of those cases

1043
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:56,640
that you've looked into

1044
00:41:02,270 --> 00:40:59,339
I've I've just noticed that there's just

1045
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:02,280
Lots like this book was about um Utah

1046
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:05,160
and Colorado and Colorado has a lot more

1047
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:07,560
mutilations than Utah but they're all

1048
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,400
the same

1049
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,280
and uh Linda mutant how the journalist

1050
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,160
investigator one of her Specialties is

1051
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:16,800
investigating animal mutilations

1052
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:19,260
and she actually went to Skinwalker

1053
00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:20,400
Ranch

1054
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:22,520
and she was investigating there

1055
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:24,780
Ned's National Institute of Discovery

1056
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:27,900
with Bob Robert Bigelow he's got many

1057
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,020
many investigations about not just the

1058
00:41:36,589 --> 00:41:33,540
Skinwalker Ranch but other calculations

1059
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:36,599
and they're all similar the animals are

1060
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:42,170
the problem with that that I find is

1061
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:43,560
that we still hear about them to this

1062
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:45,900
day but there never seems to be any kind

1063
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:48,300
of resolution or no or anything we're

1064
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,040
still dealing with multiple theories as

1065
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,680
to what these uh what what how these

1066
00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:54,240
things are dying and being mutilated

1067
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:56,700
even in some strange cases where you

1068
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,020
know people have turned their back and

1069
00:42:02,510 --> 00:41:59,520
Something's Happened and they've turned

1070
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,520
around and it's all you know it makes

1071
00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:04,560
you question how something could do that

1072
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:06,839
in that amount of time that's that's

1073
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:08,520
happened to the Shermans because they

1074
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,160
did have a an instance there it was in

1075
00:42:15,470 --> 00:42:13,920
1996 and they were they were tagging

1076
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:15,480
their their cattle and they they just

1077
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,880
tagged a calf and they walked over on

1078
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:19,500
the other side of the field

1079
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:21,780
we're tagging more and then their dogs

1080
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,359
start acting funny and ran over by the

1081
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,119
calf and they went back and the calf was

1082
00:42:30,829 --> 00:42:29,040
skinned and organs were missing just

1083
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:30,839
like that

1084
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:33,540
and they didn't see anything happen

1085
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,680
you know because they weren't looking

1086
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:36,900
but

1087
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:40,619
yeah it happened right by them yeah it's

1088
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:41,880
just it's just another one of the

1089
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:44,339
strange aspects of the phenomena that

1090
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:46,140
I mean there's so many strange aspects

1091
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,359
the whole phenomena is strange but you

1092
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:50,160
know it just throws up so many questions

1093
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:51,660
and you know you

1094
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:52,859
over the years with all the

1095
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,380
investigations it's just uh it's

1096
00:43:03,349 --> 00:42:57,660
mind-boggling to to you know some say

1097
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:06,109
soil okay maybe some of it is but I

1098
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:07,500
don't think it all is

1099
00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:09,180
yeah that's the thing if it's like you

1100
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,099
like we said those cases we mentioned of

1101
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:12,720
something happening in in a matter of

1102
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,220
minutes I mean

1103
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,560
you know surely you'd see kind of tracks

1104
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:18,720
from people or vehicles or if it's

1105
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:20,819
helicopters involved and all these kind

1106
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:23,099
of potentials as to how they would do

1107
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:24,900
that that it a lot of it just doesn't

1108
00:43:31,329 --> 00:43:27,480
fit with with what's happened so yeah

1109
00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:31,339
it's it's it's a mystery I suppose

1110
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:34,140
I got two stories that I investigated

1111
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:35,280
where the

1112
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:37,260
the people saw

1113
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:40,020
a calf being pulled up into a beam of

1114
00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:46,490
wow the the Judy daughter case I just

1115
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,780
wrote an article about that for from my

1116
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:50,880
magazine and

1117
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,000
she got somehow caught into the beam of

1118
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:55,680
light but she saw she's standing outside

1119
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:57,300
her car and she saw the calf being

1120
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,859
pulled up

1121
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,200
was there a craft at all or anything

1122
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,000
like that no she thought there was a

1123
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:04,800
craft there and a beam of light and the

1124
00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:07,020
the calf was was picked up

1125
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:09,420
and she was I don't know if she was

1126
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:11,400
really there's there's still

1127
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:14,579
they wonder if she was really abducted

1128
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:18,119
or if it was her body experience

1129
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:20,220
because she says when she was found

1130
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:21,780
herself in the craft but they said

1131
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:24,359
you're not supposed to be here

1132
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:26,220
so I don't I don't know if she really

1133
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,640
got picked up or you know sure body

1134
00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:31,680
experience you know

1135
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:34,520
yeah I mean again it's like another

1136
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,260
anecdotal story isn't it so how do you

1137
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,599
how do you kind of you know if you speak

1138
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:41,520
to someone or read something how do you

1139
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,859
kind of deal with it from a

1140
00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:46,079
a belief perspective or do you try not

1141
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:48,599
to jump in with beliefs like sort of you

1142
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,859
know something that I find really

1143
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:52,560
difficult to do and I almost have some a

1144
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:55,140
a reasonable a reasonable amount of

1145
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,300
skepticism when when it's just an

1146
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:59,040
anecdotal story you know how do you deal

1147
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,900
with things like that as to not look

1148
00:45:04,450 --> 00:45:03,060
disrespectful to the witness but at the

1149
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:04,460
same time be

1150
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:09,300
open-minded and logical let's say

1151
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,920
yeah since being a Paranormal

1152
00:45:16,609 --> 00:45:12,480
Investigator and stuff and I'm working

1153
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:19,010
yeah you know that's that's their story

1154
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:21,780
you go oh that didn't happen or try to

1155
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:23,160
or try to help him along with their

1156
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,079
story just let them talk

1157
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:27,839
yeah and then and then ask questions

1158
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:29,700
maybe you could bring out some more form

1159
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:31,380
because I I like what I'm talking about

1160
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:33,240
something I want people to listen to me

1161
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:34,020
too

1162
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:37,859
yeah and I I like when I go to a UFO

1163
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:40,380
event because all like-minded people

1164
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,859
come and we're all telling stories

1165
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:46,319
and someone else told me they had binary

1166
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:49,380
code too so now I don't feel so weird no

1167
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,240
that's it I find exactly the same thing

1168
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:52,800
some of the best conversations I've had

1169
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,119
is when you're in a

1170
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:55,980
uh you know a setting like a convention

1171
00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:57,660
or conference and you know you just get

1172
00:46:01,849 --> 00:46:00,359
to hear people people's stories and it

1173
00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:01,859
is a case like you said it's a case of

1174
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,480
they obviously just want someone to talk

1175
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,640
to someone to listen someone that's not

1176
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,680
going to judge them and you know the the

1177
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,079
UFO community in particular can be quite

1178
00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:12,720
brutal sometimes and you know I think

1179
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:13,980
that

1180
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,490
you're not coming

1181
00:46:29,170 --> 00:46:27,599
I come have fun

1182
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,180
well yeah I mean

1183
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:32,160
because you believe I believe yeah and

1184
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:33,540
when I use the word belief it's more

1185
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,640
that I believe in something I don't

1186
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,040
believe exactly

1187
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,359
yeah for me personally it's like I don't

1188
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,000
necessarily believe in aliens or

1189
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:44,400
ghosts and spirits because I don't have

1190
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,680
that conclusive proof or evidence you

1191
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:49,680
know but yeah it's it's a it's a funny

1192
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,680
way it's a funny experience and way of

1193
00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:54,480
dealing with belief because you know

1194
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:56,819
people get labeled as true believers I

1195
00:46:59,569 --> 00:46:57,720
mean

1196
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,579
it's very easy for people to say that

1197
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:01,680
but everyone's different I find we're in

1198
00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:03,420
their their levels of belief in that is

1199
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:04,740
that kind of the same with you have you

1200
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:11,569
you're looking yeah exactly yeah I mean

1201
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,740
I've not experienced much but at the

1202
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,119
same time I've done you know over a

1203
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,520
decade's worth of research and seen and

1204
00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:19,619
read an awful lot so that I think that's

1205
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:20,579
kind of

1206
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:22,740
I could very easily believe in a lot of

1207
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:25,140
different things but yeah I've kind of

1208
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:27,000
learned to kind of

1209
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:29,220
be a bit more logical and study it and

1210
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,800
I've got you know from investigating you

1211
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:33,960
know I've got so many EVPs

1212
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:36,300
they're just amazing they're first class

1213
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:37,560
and

1214
00:47:42,349 --> 00:47:39,420
really who are we talking to we still

1215
00:47:43,849 --> 00:47:42,359
don't know yeah even though I'm having a

1216
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,859
conversation with something you know

1217
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:46,079
what is it is that a person or what is

1218
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:46,740
it

1219
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:53,220
would you sort of or what advice would

1220
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:55,380
you give to someone new that maybe is

1221
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:57,420
new to the field or or maybe just

1222
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,980
they're not new to the field but they're

1223
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:00,720
new to actually investigating it for

1224
00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:02,819
themselves like what kind of advice

1225
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:05,099
would you give them

1226
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,220
have an open mind and but first of all

1227
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:11,040
when when you walk into whatever this

1228
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:13,140
building is you're investigating

1229
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:15,960
people laugh at me sometimes I I walk in

1230
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:17,880
and I say I hope it's it's okay if we

1231
00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:19,319
come tonight we didn't call ahead

1232
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,240
because you're walking into someone's

1233
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:22,800
house

1234
00:48:26,510 --> 00:48:24,780
someone's residence and you don't just

1235
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:26,520
walk into your friend's house and and

1236
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:28,560
start demanding and you don't demand

1237
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:30,119
that they tell you something because

1238
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:32,280
they're not going to talk to you

1239
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,740
I said just have a conversation with

1240
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:37,200
them like your friends

1241
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:40,380
don't ask him to knock on the wall or

1242
00:48:48,829 --> 00:48:46,370
that's not respectful and it doesn't

1243
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:48,839
tell me anything either

1244
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:51,000
just have a conversation with them and

1245
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:53,400
always have your recorder going as soon

1246
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,040
as you walk through that door

1247
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,800
because I've I've got EVPs of them

1248
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,020
saying they're coming

1249
00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:03,780
as soon as we walked in the door

1250
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:05,819
they know they know you're coming before

1251
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:07,800
you get there

1252
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:10,500
now as a medium I always have a spirit

1253
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:12,660
talking to me about three days before I

1254
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:14,220
go to a location

1255
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:19,550
not sure where I'm going to find them in

1256
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:21,720
the building but I un evidently I will

1257
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:23,819
find them sooner or later

1258
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:25,740
but they know you're coming they are

1259
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:28,380
aware of us

1260
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,060
it's fascinating let's keep that in mind

1261
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,920
you know yeah but it's good that you're

1262
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:33,359
taking equipment in there where you can

1263
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:35,160
actually record and get data as well

1264
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,020
well you must always have your recorder

1265
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:39,119
that is probably your best you can take

1266
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:41,579
photos but photos don't speak to me

1267
00:49:46,010 --> 00:49:44,040
yeah yeah I think you know don't I mean

1268
00:49:48,829 --> 00:49:46,020
I I don't know that much about that that

1269
00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:48,839
aspect of of the kind of uh paranormal

1270
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:50,280
but you know from what I've heard and

1271
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:51,960
that isn't it that photographs don't

1272
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:53,640
always work they don't you don't capture

1273
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:56,099
what people see uh all right you could

1274
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:57,420
see something right in front of your

1275
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:59,160
eyes and you take a photo and nothing

1276
00:50:02,510 --> 00:50:00,839
comes out because they mess with your

1277
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,520
camera we see that on skin walking Ranch

1278
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,040
on TV they mess with your equipment

1279
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:08,400
or or you can you can hear a voice with

1280
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:10,020
your ears and your recorder didn't pick

1281
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,060
it up it happens

1282
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,160
all right I was with a friend and we

1283
00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:16,319
standing next to each other maybe two

1284
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:18,780
feet away from each other and I got all

1285
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,060
these amazing clear sentences and she

1286
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,190
so I just always have all different

1287
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,359
equipment of course she had a digital

1288
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,520
recorder and I have analog I always use

1289
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:32,400
analog right I don't know if that makes

1290
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:34,920
a difference but I get great stuff with

1291
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:36,599
my analog recorder

1292
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:38,099
first and you also get used and you know

1293
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,020
your equipment and yeah that makes sense

1294
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:42,000
that makes sense well because as as the

1295
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:43,619
tape is going through the recorder it's

1296
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:45,960
also letting off white noise and that's

1297
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:47,400
where Spirits speak to you through the

1298
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:48,660
white noise

1299
00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:54,290
and but listen before we wrap this up I

1300
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:55,800
do want to go to a few questions that

1301
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:57,480
I've starred here in the in the comments

1302
00:51:00,530 --> 00:50:59,460
so Paige is asking about this is when

1303
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:00,540
you're looking for kind of missing

1304
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:01,980
people missing children and that and

1305
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,420
it's how much information you actually

1306
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:06,000
need before you kind of do your remote

1307
00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:08,940
remote viewing in order to find them I

1308
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:11,460
just need their picture right

1309
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:13,319
and then that just zeros you in on a

1310
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,760
location is it a

1311
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:16,559
does it go straight to them or is it

1312
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:22,549
sick all right

1313
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:26,040
wow I'm I'm I'm seeing through their

1314
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:27,960
eyes where they are

1315
00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:29,940
I hear what they hear

1316
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:32,040
I hear sounds that's how we found

1317
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:35,099
somebody one time because I I saw a

1318
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,579
warehouse and I heard train whistles

1319
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:40,619
so that's how they found two girls we're

1320
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:43,319
looking for one we found two

1321
00:51:51,049 --> 00:51:49,790
I mean it's amazing and it's amazing

1322
00:51:53,089 --> 00:51:51,059
that you're able to do this kind of

1323
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:53,099
thing and have such a track record of it

1324
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:54,660
as well you know it's an honorable thing

1325
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,540
so you know my hat's off to you on that

1326
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:58,800
respect I just realized the other

1327
00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:00,660
question I had already asked I started

1328
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:02,220
and then well listen is there anything

1329
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,420
that you feel that we haven't covered

1330
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,760
that you kind of uh you know that you

1331
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:08,220
feel is important thing to mention or is

1332
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,599
there anything else coming up besides

1333
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:11,280
the book any other locations that you

1334
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:13,980
plan on visiting what's next for you

1335
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:16,200
well I gotta work on this book and then

1336
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:18,300
I I had another book I had started

1337
00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:19,800
before this and I'm supposed to just

1338
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:22,040
stop and do this one now

1339
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:24,839
it's it's about uh I'm not sure what the

1340
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:27,480
other tile is I might call it a ancient

1341
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:29,940
Earth energies I'm it's about

1342
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:33,660
um different places not just the us all

1343
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,079
over the world who have a connection to

1344
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:39,119
Pleiades

1345
00:52:43,069 --> 00:52:40,980
so that's I'm not sure what title that

1346
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:43,079
book's going to be but I'm supposed to

1347
00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:44,400
do this

1348
00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:47,099
UFO one first so

1349
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:48,839
fair enough we look forward to it I'm

1350
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,980
just getting another couple more

1351
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:52,319
questions in um Wilfred I see that you

1352
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:53,880
think your questions disappeared I've

1353
00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:56,099
just scrolled up and I can't see it

1354
00:53:02,030 --> 00:52:58,980
um if you want to repost it then you can

1355
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:02,040
but Davey asks uh has Sharon ever felt

1356
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:04,140
threatened by any Spirits or non-human

1357
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:05,940
intelligence

1358
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:08,220
just just that time that that one jumped

1359
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,200
into my friend

1360
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:12,720
I didn't feel threatened but it scared

1361
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,760
the heck out of me that what do I do you

1362
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,680
know yeah do you think that some of

1363
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,240
these entities are

1364
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:21,599
or have a sort of negative

1365
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:23,640
um what's the word I'm looking for do

1366
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,020
you think they they want to act negative

1367
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:27,540
towards towards us you know is it a

1368
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,460
balance are there good entities and

1369
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:31,440
negative entities or

1370
00:53:36,410 --> 00:53:34,920
well I I had I had seen this spirit in

1371
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:36,420
the building before

1372
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,240
he was either a doctor or he took care

1373
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,800
of of people there

1374
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:43,440
and he wasn't good he wasn't a good one

1375
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:46,020
called evil but he wasn't a good man and

1376
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:47,640
he was chasing this woman

1377
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:50,040
and I know he killed her and maybe this

1378
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:52,020
was the anniversary of the night he

1379
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:53,700
killed her and that's why all this

1380
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:56,760
happened I I don't know

1381
00:54:01,069 --> 00:53:59,160
but why he jumped into my friend we'll

1382
00:54:02,089 --> 00:54:01,079
never know why he did that

1383
00:54:06,049 --> 00:54:02,099
yeah

1384
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:06,059
it was there was no reason to do that

1385
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:10,740
oh that's uh it's one of those things

1386
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,780
well listen Cheryl thank you so much for

1387
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:14,400
coming on and talking to us about all of

1388
00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:15,720
your work you know I find it so

1389
00:54:19,010 --> 00:54:17,220
impressive that you're able to do so

1390
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:19,020
many different or look at so many

1391
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:20,940
aspects of of the phenomena and that but

1392
00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:23,160
also get out there and and research and

1393
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:25,559
investigate as well so

1394
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:27,420
um thank you so much I really do

1395
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:32,390
right everyone in the chat you've been

1396
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,140
great as well I'm sorry if you missed

1397
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,180
your question I've just uh tried to find

1398
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,880
it and I'm sorry if I didn't get to all

1399
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:41,040
of them but uh you can now catch me

1400
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:43,260
every Wednesday but follow me on all my

1401
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:46,380
social medias and uh guys thank you so